frivolous he would cut them down to ribbons. 
That’s what I mean when I say he was cruel. So 
that’s the way that he weeded out the people that 
he felt were there to be, you know, gawkers, at the 
McLuhan phenomenon.


Q:  Do you remember any times watching him do 
this?

A:  Yes, I remember him, three of four times I saw 
him do it. He could do a number on a person if he 
wanted to. But most of the time he didn’t. He was a 
very gentle and lovely man. But he was like a